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	Comments on: KingSpec E3000S Challenger SSD Review &#8211; EMLC Endurance and LSI SandForce Performance	</title>
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		By: Les@TheSSDReview		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Les@TheSSDReview]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thessdreview.com/our-reviews/kingspec-e3000s-challenger-series-sata-3-ssd-review/#comment-15277&quot;&gt;Sam Brown&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s not entirely correct.  All SF SSDs are on the supported drive list and FW is forwarded as validated.  PNY is up to date and had to wait for exactly that.

Thanks for the input!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thessdreview.com/our-reviews/kingspec-e3000s-challenger-series-sata-3-ssd-review/#comment-15277">Sam Brown</a>.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not entirely correct.  All SF SSDs are on the supported drive list and FW is forwarded as validated.  PNY is up to date and had to wait for exactly that.</p>
<p>Thanks for the input!</p>
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		By: Sam Brown		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam Brown]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Apr 2013 23:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thessdreview.com/our-reviews/kingspec-e3000s-challenger-series-sata-3-ssd-review/#comment-15166&quot;&gt;Les@TheSSDReview&lt;/a&gt;.

This is correct. Just like PNY there will be shallow support for firmware and they will never get on the LSI supported drive list. If you are not on the LSI or Adaptec supported list, the first answer from support will be - you are not using a supported drive. End of support. The PNY Prevail reviewed here, I had to return due to ghetto wire (patch wires) which is pretty scary. I can only hope this company will update their firmware and fix the bugs quickly. PNY did not and was an epic fail. 


Also remember Mixing sata and sas will result in SAS dropping its LVD voltage down to SATA levels causing less stability. This is why many companies still use interposers so you do not have the STP protocol overhead and SATA voltage levels. LSI controllers let you mix sata and sas withing a raid-set. I have found that many oem&#039;s have problems with generic sata drives but not their own custom firmware drives.


LSI based cards, say PERC H700 with samsung 840 pro - have problems with drives dropping? I&#039;ll tell you exactly why. The 830 ignored the SAS commands that dell added to their samsung drives. The 840 pro resets and is marked for failure.


You really need to be careful when you mix consumer chipsets and try to use them with enterprise controllers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thessdreview.com/our-reviews/kingspec-e3000s-challenger-series-sata-3-ssd-review/#comment-15166">Les@TheSSDReview</a>.</p>
<p>This is correct. Just like PNY there will be shallow support for firmware and they will never get on the LSI supported drive list. If you are not on the LSI or Adaptec supported list, the first answer from support will be &#8211; you are not using a supported drive. End of support. The PNY Prevail reviewed here, I had to return due to ghetto wire (patch wires) which is pretty scary. I can only hope this company will update their firmware and fix the bugs quickly. PNY did not and was an epic fail. </p>
<p>Also remember Mixing sata and sas will result in SAS dropping its LVD voltage down to SATA levels causing less stability. This is why many companies still use interposers so you do not have the STP protocol overhead and SATA voltage levels. LSI controllers let you mix sata and sas withing a raid-set. I have found that many oem&#8217;s have problems with generic sata drives but not their own custom firmware drives.</p>
<p>LSI based cards, say PERC H700 with samsung 840 pro &#8211; have problems with drives dropping? I&#8217;ll tell you exactly why. The 830 ignored the SAS commands that dell added to their samsung drives. The 840 pro resets and is marked for failure.</p>
<p>You really need to be careful when you mix consumer chipsets and try to use them with enterprise controllers.</p>
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		By: Elysée Louis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elysée Louis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Apr 2013 09:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Awesome the black PCB and the 10 000 times P/E nand chip]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome the black PCB and the 10 000 times P/E nand chip</p>
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		By: benjamin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[benjamin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Apr 2013 21:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[gotta love the black pcb :D]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gotta love the black pcb 😀</p>
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		By: Les@TheSSDReview		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Les@TheSSDReview]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Apr 2013 19:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thessdreview.com/our-reviews/kingspec-e3000s-challenger-series-sata-3-ssd-review/#comment-15165&quot;&gt;sl242chk&lt;/a&gt;.

It is a combination of the fact that SATA is more common and, with respect to enterprise, there are much fewer SAS SSDs to be tested.  We can compound this even further with the fact that these drives usually value considerably higher and many companies have yet to rely on such testing by SSD review sites.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thessdreview.com/our-reviews/kingspec-e3000s-challenger-series-sata-3-ssd-review/#comment-15165">sl242chk</a>.</p>
<p>It is a combination of the fact that SATA is more common and, with respect to enterprise, there are much fewer SAS SSDs to be tested.  We can compound this even further with the fact that these drives usually value considerably higher and many companies have yet to rely on such testing by SSD review sites.</p>
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